May 1 2012
WHY I CARRY A FULL-SIZED HAND GUN
Intimidation Factor:
The majority of every battle is fought mentally. If that’s the case, then we should do whatever we can to diminish the enemies fight by handicapping their mental capabilities. How do we do this? Through intimidation.
A lot of people argue that a gun is a gun. Whether they are using a .25 caliber pocket pistol for defense or a .45 service pistol, they believe that the attacker will react the same. If this were the case, law enforcement and military would carry light, little guns in a small caliber. After all, the smaller calibers are generally cheaper to shoot, and are by far easier to carry around.
According to “Handgun Wounding Factors And Effectiveness” one of the FBI’s training materials:
“Psychological factors are probably the most important relative to achieving rapid incapacitation from a gunshot wound to the torso. Awareness of the injury (often delayed by the suppression of pain); fear of injury, death, blood or pain; intimidation by the weapon or the act of being shot; preconceived notions of what people do when they are shot; or the simple desire to quit can all lead to incapacitation even from minor wounds. However, psychological factors are also the primary cause of incapacitation failures.“
- Special Agent Urey W. Patrick of the FBI Firearms Training Unit
Ease of Use:
A full-sized handgun is easier for me to shoot. This is a personal statement, as everyone is going to have their own types of firearms that they excel with. My training has shown me that I personally shoot more consistently with a full-sized handgun then with a pocket pistol. If I ever have to pull my gun, I’m going to be dealing with a enough stress already; I don’t need to be struggling with a pistol that I’m not consistently accurate with at the same time.
Sight Radius:
Sight radius refers to the distance between the front and back sites. Naturally, a larger gun is going to have a longer sight radius. The longer the sight radius the easier it is going to be to get more precise sight alignment and see any movement in the sight alignment.
Weight:
Newton’s laws of motion state that “for every action there is an equal but opposite reaction”. Every time you shoot a round, pressure builds up in the chamber. That pressure pushes the bullet out of the barrel, causing an opposite force which cycles the action. That opposite force is what causes recoil. The heavier a gun is, the more recoil it will absorb.
If I were to shoot the same ammunition in both a pocket pistol and a full-sized pistol, the full-sized pistol would have less perceived recoil. The reason why I say perceived recoil is because the same amount of force is exerted on both guns (because the exact same ammunition is being shot though both guns), one just happens to absorb more of the force.
With more recoil being absorbed into the gun, that means less movement to my sight alignment. I can now get my sight alignment and sight picture back to where it should be quicker than with a smaller gun.
There is also the consideration that a larger, heavier handgun can be used a small club if the need arises. Yes, I just mentioned pistol-whipping.
Design:
I like knowing that I’ve got a good combat grade sidearm on me. This means it’s going to have loose enough tolerances that the gun feeds easily, but not so loose that it can’t be shot accurately. It also means no frilly “safety” features that can cause a problem in a combat type of situation, such as a magazine disconnect. Of course I could go on for hours about guide rods (for some reason, guide rods fascinate me), but I’ll leave that for a later post.
Any tactical advantage I can secure before the fight might very well end up saving my life.
Reliability:
Now, every handgun is different, feeds differently, and reacts differently under different conditions. However, what I have found is that the shorter the slide travel, the more severe the feed angle on the feeding ramp leading up to the chamber. This can (note I said can, not will) cause problems with feeding, extraction, etc. Although I train on clearing weapons malfunctions, I’m still not going to knowingly put myself in a situation where I might have to.
As I always say, a firearm collection is much like an underwear collection. Everybody has different needs, comforts and favorites. This article is not designed to try to convince anyone that I’m doing the right thing by carrying what I carry, or that everyone else should carry a full-sized gun too. Like I said before, it is simply an explanation for all those who wonder about my concealed carry choices.
© Packing Pretty, Grace McKee 2012










May 01, 2012 @ 09:26:23
I like it! It is nearly the same argument I have against carrying back-up guns,.
May 01, 2012 @ 09:52:46
Why do you oppose backup guns exactly? It doesn’t seem like an equal comparison. What’s your solution?
May 01, 2012 @ 11:37:43
Alex, it is probably better if you read the post at balloongoesup.com. But it isn’t a equal comparison and that is part of it. The solution is train to clear malfunctions and reload the primary.
Jul 10, 2012 @ 22:36:36
I assume you are referring to this article ( http://www.balloongoesup.com/blog/2012/04/why-would-you-carry-a-bug/ ) so about all I can say is that the argument it raises against carrying a BUG relies on the faulty premise that you will always use the primary first.
Personally, I carry a BUG, along with a reload for my primary.
Generally speaking, I can get my pocket-carried BUG into action faster than my primary. This is especially true, because I generally try to stay aware of my surroundings, and whenever anything raises the hairs on my neck, my hand can casually slip into the pocket with the BUG, and onto the grip. This is especially true in the winter, when there may be 2-4 layers of clothing between my hands and my primary EDC.
Also, in the event of an attempted gun-grab of my primary, carrying a BUG means I can respond quickly, appropriately, and effectively.
The BUG isn’t a NY reload for my primary; in fact, the opposite is true.
May 01, 2012 @ 17:44:16
Ron,
Thanks for reading and commenting. Love your site!
May 01, 2012 @ 09:27:37
I was at a gun shop (not my favorite one) over the weekend. Near me a customer that was about a foot taller than my height was asking about a gun to conceal. The shop guy was insisting that the conceal carry guns appropriate for him were those in the Ruger LCP (.380) size. “Anything else is too big.”
The tall guy could have concealed a rifle.
May 01, 2012 @ 17:43:36
North,
Thanks for reading and commenting!
Some gun store clerks are just not as educated as we would like to believe that they are. I wish us tall folks could legally conceal a rifle…
May 01, 2012 @ 09:39:30
Again well said. I have carried a full size 1911 for years. We need to dress a little different to effectively conceal it, but all the facts you stated are right on target. (Pun intended) When we were shooting the other day and you pointed out why you wouldn’t like my LW Seecamp AKA the Noisy Cricket, even before you shot it. The size factor, sight radius, caliber, I agree with. Even with my larger hands, it still sucks to shoot. a seven round 380 ACP that small is not and can not be fun to shoot unless you are a masochist!
I also think the large polymer framed semi autos recoil less than a steel framed firearm of the same size. Yes, it maybe all in my head to think the polymer absorbs some of the recoil. The newer frames like the XDM , S&W M&P, Glock Gen4 can be made to fit our hands better also. Better fit= happier shooter, Happier shooter = more range time and that equals more fun…..
Talk to you soon and thank you for your great blogs!
May 01, 2012 @ 17:42:08
Greg,
Thank you so much for your constant reads, shares and comments. You made some very good points. If anyone knows their stuff, it’s you!
May 01, 2012 @ 09:52:00
The only exception I’ll take with this is on “Intimidation Factor”. On some level, there is an implication that the mere presence of the weapon will de-escalate the situation. I’m not saying that it won’t but there can be, on a subconscious level, a hope that the intimidation alone will be enough. Novice shooters can be especially susceptible to this myth and hope that the guy will act as a “magic wand” that can be waved to make the bad people go away. Intent to use and proper training to instill good mindset is critical.
May 01, 2012 @ 14:40:40
Alex, while I agree with you that noone should pull a gun expecting intimidation alone to resolve a situation, the point I was getting at is that the more initmidated the person shot by the weapon is, the more devistating effect he gunshot wound will have one them (as according to the FBI’s “Handgun Wounding Factors and Effectiveness”).
Thanks for reading and commenting on Packing PRetty!
May 01, 2012 @ 16:37:16
Thank you!
For years we would see men buying guns for their wives, and they wanted “something small that she can handle”.
The problem with that is obvious: smaller and lighter means either undesireable recoil, or an ineffective caliber. In recent years, the ultra compact .380s were known as very “snappy” and uncomfortable to shoot, and the advent of subcompact 9mm guns made the problem even worse.
If a shooter (man or woman) won’t practice because they hate the recoil, and won’t carry because they haven’t practiced, what good is the gun?
May 01, 2012 @ 17:11:53
kbcraig,
I agree whole heartedly. Thanks for reading Packing Pretty and taking the time to share your thoughts on this matter!
Jul 10, 2012 @ 22:09:38
The real problem with most of the micro .380 pistols on the
Market isn’t their size per-se, it’s their poor ergonomics.
The LCP, for example, has roughly twice the distance between the users hand and the center of the bore as does the Diamondback DB9. The latter is much more comfortable to shoot, and is actually LESS snappy than the LCP.
It’s all about the ergonomics, and the height of the bore over the web of the hand.
May 01, 2012 @ 20:39:26
I agree totally.. I have found the perfect carry gun for me. The XD 40.. Now if I could find the perfect holster.. What are your suggestions? I like to carry IWB,
May 02, 2012 @ 18:34:41
Angela, I carry in a 5 Shot Leather IWB scabbard holster. I often carry an XD 40 as well…I love the round and the gun.
May 03, 2012 @ 00:29:46
Check out Don Hume. I also carry an XD 40.
May 02, 2012 @ 07:57:51
My full-size 1911 is my favorite carry gun, but concealing it works best when I can put a shirt over top. My pocket guns are for the times when I’m wearing my professional clothes. Of course, as others have pointed out, if you’ve been invited to a gun fight (and can’t get out of attending), the small gun you want is your rifle.
Compromises, compromises!
May 02, 2012 @ 15:11:04
I agree with Alex about the “imitadation factor”. Given how most violent encounters go down, there will be little time for the assailant to even recognize the gun you have. Studies have shown that gunshot victims are just as likely to give up the fight if shot with a .22 as they are if shot by something larger–the exception being those that are “high” on drugs or alcohol which can dull and delay their reaction to pain. Now on the other hand, carrying a full-size gun can be very comforting for you and give you greater confidence. That is probably more important than the intimidation it will produce in you attacker.
May 02, 2012 @ 16:37:17
I like the overall tone of the article. Especially, the “any advantage” angle. W/ that I would add there seems to be a tipping point in the power vs. speed continuum. If you go small, you want the largest “small” pistol/cartridge combo you can get and and still accurately shoot in rapid fire. If you go big, then really big is good – like .45, .357, etc.
*You just might be able to carry a rifle:
http://www.keltecweapons.com/our-guns/rifles/sub-2000/
May 03, 2012 @ 05:00:05
Full size guns fit all the things you mention; however, since I am only 5 ft tall (and no longer as svelte as I once was), I am in the CW9, Kimber .45 camp. But that is just me.
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May 03, 2012 @ 07:41:19
I’m sympathetic with the view presented here. I used to carry a full-sized 1911, and had no real problems concealing it. However, when I started reading about flash mobs, I decided 7+1 rounds might not be enough. I switched to carrying a ParaOrd P-12, not because it’s compact, but because it holds almost twice as many rounds as my 1911. I may yet go to carrying a ParaOrd P-14, simply for the extra rounds. I don’t think it will be that much harder to conceal than a single-stack 1911.
May 03, 2012 @ 14:14:19
It shouldn’t be. I conceal a 4.5 inch double stack every day. No problems.
Thanks for reading and commenting on Packing Pretty!
May 03, 2012 @ 13:59:07
WHAT ABOUT HOLLOW POINTS??? OR .410 JUDGES???
May 03, 2012 @ 14:13:10
I always carry defensive ammo (hollowpoints), and I’m not fond of the judge. But that’s just me.
Thanks for reading and commenting on Packing Pretty.
May 06, 2012 @ 16:48:45
The compact vs. full size carry is an argument my husband and I have been having alot lately. This really summarizes my reasons for preferring the larger framed (and caliber) guns. I carry a Taurus .357 snub 7 shot, Judge grips or a m&p .40. They make me feel safe and that if it comes down to it, they will protect me more than, say, a 9mm or a .380. Not that they wouldn’t do it though. He prefers to carry a ParaOrd 1911 over the pocket pistols, because he’s more comfortable and confident with it. Why is it so hard to believe a female is the same way?
Jun 06, 2012 @ 05:44:29
I have studied the various issues with concealed carry for about 45 years and I really appreciate your information and attention to detail Gracie. I don’t go anywhere without my little friend, or friends, except on an airplane and I would take it with me there if I could ! I first started carrying a .380 AMT Back-up and it was a great little pistol, but after a range session of about 30 rounds, there was blood escaping from the web of my hand from the recoil and harsh corners of the frame. I would rather have been shooting my S&W 44 Mag. However, the purpose of that .380 was as a last chance, save your life scenario and I still carry it as a back-up, to my other carry guns, so that I don’t have to run get another one when the trouble starts. Nobody said you can’t have 2 or 3 carry guns, and a back-up too ! I carry a litte Freedom Arms .22 cal. 5 shot revolver. mostly for snakes, with bird-shot in the first 2 holes and stinger hollow points in the other 3. I have had several people laugh at it and ask “what good is that little thing ?” I just tell them, “it buys me the time to get to my 45 !” It is so concealable that there is no need to alarm anyone with it, or about it, and if the situation goes sour, then all the would-be victims will be asking where they can get one just like it ! I actually killed a coyote with it once, when my shotgun failed to fire in a very close (less than 10 feet) encounter. I am a BIG fan of having a second chance with you at all times. I strongly encourage everyone to read the book “No Second Place Winner” by Bill Jordan. He was a career Border Patrolman along the Texas- Mexico border in the 1960′s when I met him and was at that time the fastest draw and shoot artist around. 5 shots in 4 tenths of a second, on a playing card at 10 feet. He was an incredible shot from the hip. There are many lessons in that book and it reads very fast. You won’t be able to put it down.
Jun 08, 2012 @ 08:58:04
There is no question my H&K usp 45 ct will provide a lot more intimidation than my sig 238, however there are a lot of times when carrying a semi huge weapon just doesn’t work. I live in a hot climate and wearing shorts and t shirts makes carrying the HK a bear. Like most people I am constantly on the lookout for the perfect holster. I recently found A company called d.m. Bullard that has several great fitting bolsters that make carrying the HK much easier to deal with.
Andy
Jun 15, 2012 @ 15:06:12
Very good article, and to the point. Which I always favor. Everyone should be comfortable with what they are using. And this applys to everything in life people. Go for it. Me, I am a glock g-20 guy. ( 10 mm ). Or, should I say .40 calibre ! Be good, be armed. Know your weapon, inside and out. Know the law, but, your safety is first. Paul E. Mason, Whitestone, NY………. “When the hell, is the Revolution ” !
Jun 18, 2012 @ 19:06:53
Good point of view and I understand your logic. I love the feel of my S&W Model 65 .357 in my hand and I can do 3″ groups at 25 feet. For an old feller (67 yrs) with old eyes I’m happy with that.
However, from a practical standpoint I can’t stuff that 65 into either of my carpenter short’s front pocket and sit comfortably in the pickup while on the way to WalMart.
So… I put my Kel-Tec P32 into a small leather pocket holster and slip it into my front pocket. I can do WalMart, Krogers, Applebys and all the other stops with very little discomfort. I wish I could carry a little more oomph! when I go out… but there’s a limit, in my mind anyway, to how much gun I can comfortably carry while I go about my day-to-day activities.
Besides, the spouse is usually with me and she’s packing a S&W 642 (hammerless) with Federal Hydra-Shoks in her purse. So, I’ve got my six covered!
Love your blog.
Big Bob
Jun 19, 2012 @ 13:10:55
Hi, I just “found” your site. Very informative. I too prefer to to carry full or compact size. I had a S&W 642 +P but found that I shot the larger and higher calibers better. I am not a large woman, so size/strength may have something to do with that. I love to carry my Springfield XD .45 and just purchased a Kimber Ultra Raptor II which is a bit smaller. Anyone have suggestions as to best carry method/holster for the Raptor? I’d prefer something on the body but I do have a gun fanny pack. Thanks!
Jun 21, 2012 @ 07:43:16
Is the pictured XD one that you carry?
What are your thoughts on carrying a ported pistol?
Jun 21, 2012 @ 20:49:07
Hi HSR47,
The picture is not my gun, but I have the same gun. I dont recommend ported guns for defensive applications because of the danger of getting a face full of muzzle blast when firing from retention postitions.
Thanks for reading Packing Pretty and taking the time to comment!
Jul 10, 2012 @ 22:01:43
I asked, because the pictured pistol is clearly a factory ported XD, likely in 9mm or .40.
Personally, I usually carry my ported XD9 most of the time; of all the guns I own, it is the one I shoot the best. Also, the finish is already pretty worn in spots, so I don’t new to worry about keeping it pretty, like I do with my M&P.
Jul 08, 2012 @ 21:45:59
Gracie -
Enjoyed your explanation for carrying a full sized pistol. We are in obvious agreement as I carry a Colt Commander (all steel construction) in .45 ACP.
I want to clarify your statement concerning perceived recoil. It is true that given two pistols of different weights but identical cartridges, the heavier pistol will exhibit less perceived recoil. However, the heavier pistol does not -absorb- the recoil energy. What happens is the heavier pistol spreads out the energy over a longer time period, reducing both the -rate- of energy transfer to the shooter and the peak energy transfered to the shooter.
To illustrate, if you and I were to stand at one point and you were to gently push me about 3 feet over a 5 second period, you would expend about 600 ft-lbs of force on me or about the same as a really stout .45 round. Same amount of force applied but over a much larger time frame, so there is little or no perceived recoil. No energy is absorbed, only transfered over a longer period of time.
Hope this helps in understanding what happens in the comparison of perceived recoil in different weight pistols.
Jul 17, 2012 @ 14:24:46
Hi Gracie,
Thank you for your well written article.
Another reason to use a full size pistol is that in a high stress situation
a person will lose manual dexterity. So, one would want a large pistol because
it would be easier to manipulate.
One of your readers attempted a clarification of the recoil problem, but
I thought I’d throw in my two cents. Momentum ( mass X velocity) is
conserved between the bullet and the pistol system. But, kinetic energy
(0.5 X mass X velocity X velocity) is not. [Energy of a system is conserved,
but kinetic energy of the big visible objects is not conserved.]
With a more massive pistol,
more energy is transferred to the bullet and less is transferred to the gun.
Your other reader was referring to the impulse (force X time), and
saying that the force is less because the time over which the impulse is
applied is longer with a more massive gun. But, impulse modeling is
inappropriate in this scenario.
The shooter feels less recoil with a heavier gun because the velocity
of the rearward moving gun is less, because the gun is more massive,
because momentum is conserved.
Cheers,
Jon